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By: Gentle Wisdom» Blog Archive » Raised with Christ: Review part 2

Gentle Wisdom» Blog Archive » Raised with Christ: Review part 2 — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:49:55 +0000

[...] Adrian then retells the biblical accounts of the resurrection, based on a rather standard harmonisation of the four gospels. He passes on a strange suggestion from Ralph Martin and Peter Davids, for which he quotes no evidence, that during the following 40 days “Jesus makes frequent journeys between heaven and earth” (p.37). (Good for his frequent flier points, no doubt!) He shows that the resurrected Jesus had a real physical body, but without discussing whether it had blood. [...]

By: Gentle Wisdom » The Naked Dead Arise!

Gentle Wisdom » The Naked Dead Arise! — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:16:24 +0000

[...] two years ago I caused some controversy by raising the question Does the risen Jesus have blood? This also referred more generally to resurrection bodies. Now a new question on the same lines has [...]

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I speak the truth when I say Lingamish passed Speaker of Truth | lingamish — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:01 +0000

[...] Maybe technorati has started to question whether or not Peter is speaking the truth when he makes bizarre claims about Jesus having flesh and… [...]

By: Peter Kirk

Peter Kirk — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:09:15 +0000

Rick, I don’t see an inherent contradiction in the disciples being asked to repeat this in remembrance of him. I can quite imagine for example a dying old man taking his children to his favourite place and asking them to gather there regularly to remember him after he has gone. Similarly with Jesus’ Last Supper, on the understanding that he knew he was about to die. The oddity here is that it does not take account of the resurrection. Would Jesus have said this if he had been sure at the time that he would rise again? An interesting question to speculate on.

There is of course more of a problem in the idea of the Real Presence in the bread and wine at the Last Supper. This is one reason why I don’t fully accept that teaching, although on its own it is not conclusive evidence.

By: Rick Ritchie

Rick Ritchie — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:26:33 +0000

It looks like Paul Trathen got to the subject before I did. So I’ll address something Peter raised. The problem of how Jesus’ disciples could have understood his omnipresence from the Words of Institution while He was seated with them is paralleled by the problem of their being asked to remember his death before it happened. St. Paul seems to equate “proclaiming the Lord’s death” and “remembrance” in 1 Cor. 11:24-26. So the disciples are (in a sense) being instructed to remember something that has not happened yet. I think no matter what conclusions we reach as to the Lord’s Supper, there are some elements about that first Supper that are a bit odd. I don’t think that under any interpretation you end up with the disciples fully understanding what is going on as it is happening.

That doesn’t clear up all problems with the Real Presence at that first Supper. But it may remove the obstacle created by an insistence that the disciples would have had to be spoken to in such a way that they understood what they were doing the first time. They surely didn’t, even if Zwingli was right.

By: Gentle Wisdom » Official: the risen Jesus has blood

Gentle Wisdom » Official: the risen Jesus has blood — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:06:11 +0000

[...] year I was surprised by the controversy generated by my post asking Does the risen Jesus have blood? Somehow it seemed obvious to me that he did, that his risen body was made up of flesh, bones, blood [...]

By: Peter Kirk

Peter Kirk — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:42:05 +0000

Roberto, thanks for the comment, but this seems a strange position. I don’t know how literally you intend to take God breathing into the nostrils of man. But I have always assumed that this is analogous to how someone who is dying, e.g. from drowning, can be revived by breathing into their nostrils. Such a person still has blood, but does not have breath. I would assume that the man who was formed from the dust of the ground had blood in his veins, albeit not red aereated blood, even before God breathed into his nostrils. In other words, the blood itself was formed from the earth, not directly from God. But then to me this picture is not to be taken precisely literally.

By: Roberto

Roberto — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:23:30 +0000

Dear All,

When God breathed unto the nostrils of man it created blood in his body, I supposed.

Therefore, whether we agree or disagree, God’s breath is life and life is in the blood… God has Blood.

By: Peter Kirk

Peter Kirk — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:27:56 +0000

Lee, thanks for your thoughts on this. I agree with the general direction of your thinking on this. But I don’t take it as a matter of such great importance to justify your rather strong language about John MacArthur and others. Of course if your allegation “I was brutalized physically and spiritually” is true, this is very serious, but not a matter I can take up here.

By: Peter Kirk

Peter Kirk — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:23:59 +0000

Thank you, Paul. I was in fact thinking about links to the Eucharist when I mentioned John 6:54. But I didn’t go into this in detail because it didn’t seem to me the most important aspect here. Perhaps this is partly because as an evangelical I have tended to steer carefully away from Real Presence ideas as smacking of transubstantiation. But perhaps I have gone too far in this.

To me, the living body, with its blood, of the risen Christ is omnipresent, but all the more specifically present among believers (Matthew 18:20) and even more so in the Eucharist. But of course the blood can only be in the eucharistic cup if it is in the resurrected body.

But I see a problem here. The first Eucharist, and for that matter Matthew 18:20, were before the Resurrection, and the supper at Emmaus was before the Ascension. How can Jesus have a localised body and blood and be in the eucharistic elements at the same time? I’m not sure how to answer this one.