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		<title>By: Gentle Wisdom&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Believing the words of a donkey</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-340857</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentle Wisdom&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Believing the words of a donkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] programme (which has probably now disappeared from iPlayer) as my attention had been drawn to it by a comment here at Gentle Wisdom, to which I replied [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-340833</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I have now seen the programme, now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nbxhx/Inside_Out_West_Midlands_12_10_2009/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;available on BBC iPlayer&lt;/a&gt; for 7 days and only in the UK (only the first ten minutes of the programme). I note that their evidence for what goes on at Revival Fires is taken largely from Youtube clips, clearly heavily edited. There is an inaccurate claim that what the church is doing is breaking the law - if any UK law did make this illegal it would be in serious breach of international treaties on freedom of religion. The £100K is in &quot;salaries and expenses&quot; for Trevor and his wife, for one rather exceptional year - but those expenses included several trips to the USA for their work, so it would be wrong to suggest that they pocketed that much.

As for the C of E Canon who claims that an individual church should not claim to offer healing, that looks like simple jealousy that this is happening not under his own denominational control. I&#039;m quite sure that Trevor Baker does not claim that he, not God, does the healing, as the Canon seems to imply.

Trevor Baker has a perfect right not to speak to the BBC, and he was right to keep quiet when confronted with inaccurate accusations that he had personally claimed to be able to heal anyone. He probably has a case for criminal libel against the BBC for public accusing him of breaking the law when he is not. But I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll just ignore the programme and carry on doing the work God has called him to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I have now seen the programme, now <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nbxhx/Inside_Out_West_Midlands_12_10_2009/" rel="nofollow">available on BBC iPlayer</a> for 7 days and only in the UK (only the first ten minutes of the programme). I note that their evidence for what goes on at Revival Fires is taken largely from Youtube clips, clearly heavily edited. There is an inaccurate claim that what the church is doing is breaking the law &#8211; if any UK law did make this illegal it would be in serious breach of international treaties on freedom of religion. The £100K is in &#8220;salaries and expenses&#8221; for Trevor and his wife, for one rather exceptional year &#8211; but those expenses included several trips to the USA for their work, so it would be wrong to suggest that they pocketed that much.</p>
<p>As for the C of E Canon who claims that an individual church should not claim to offer healing, that looks like simple jealousy that this is happening not under his own denominational control. I&#8217;m quite sure that Trevor Baker does not claim that he, not God, does the healing, as the Canon seems to imply.</p>
<p>Trevor Baker has a perfect right not to speak to the BBC, and he was right to keep quiet when confronted with inaccurate accusations that he had personally claimed to be able to heal anyone. He probably has a case for criminal libel against the BBC for public accusing him of breaking the law when he is not. But I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll just ignore the programme and carry on doing the work God has called him to.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-340831</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I have so far only seen the trailer, and the summary
&lt;blockquote&gt;Mary Rhodes exposes the preacher who claims to cure cancer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But if these words and the trailer&#039;s medley of clips out of context and negative comment are typical of the angle taken by the programme, I think Trevor Baker did well not to cooperate with the BBC. As for the Mercedes, how old was it, and how much does he use it for driving round the country? This man has a high profile and high pressure job, and needs the tools and salary to do it properly. But is the £100K salary confirmed, or just a rumour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I have so far only seen the trailer, and the summary</p>
<blockquote><p>Mary Rhodes exposes the preacher who claims to cure cancer.</p></blockquote>
<p>But if these words and the trailer&#8217;s medley of clips out of context and negative comment are typical of the angle taken by the programme, I think Trevor Baker did well not to cooperate with the BBC. As for the Mercedes, how old was it, and how much does he use it for driving round the country? This man has a high profile and high pressure job, and needs the tools and salary to do it properly. But is the £100K salary confirmed, or just a rumour?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-340830</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

Just seen the BBC documentary tonight about Trevor Baker.

Very dissappointed.

1. £100k per annum as a salary for Trevor and his wife!!!!
2. Pulls up in a MERCEDES and then ignores the BBC like someone off Rogue Traders!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071mv2 

Comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Just seen the BBC documentary tonight about Trevor Baker.</p>
<p>Very dissappointed.</p>
<p>1. £100k per annum as a salary for Trevor and his wife!!!!<br />
2. Pulls up in a MERCEDES and then ignores the BBC like someone off Rogue Traders!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071mv2" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071mv2</a> </p>
<p>Comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-114531</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks for your helpful comment. I guess some people still say what they think you want to hear, and that is why it is important for healing to be medically verified as you teach. Indeed what is important is not the miracles but the fruit including love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for your helpful comment. I guess some people still say what they think you want to hear, and that is why it is important for healing to be medically verified as you teach. Indeed what is important is not the miracles but the fruit including love.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-114157</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting hearing the comments.

Im actually on the ministry team in Dudley. Just to clarify a couple of things, when checking people to see if they&#039;ve been healed I do try my best to ask people to be HONEST with me, and not what they think I want to hear. As a result people do say they felt nothing sometimes, but many people do also get touched.

More important than any of the miracles is that love is at the centre of everything, and that&#039;s my heart and I know the hearts of many people I know in Dudley.

I&#039;ve personally witnessed some real verifiable, outstanding healings &amp; miracles that have had lasting effects in peoples lives, many in the Dudley church itself. 

Peoples comments about the worship are understandable, as people connect with God in different ways, quiet and comtemplative is one of my favourite ways, but I do also enjoy the praise and worship as done in dudley. 

The best way to judge if somethings a move of God, is the effects and fruits of the Holy Spirit it has on peoples lives. I can honestly say, from what Ive seen its good fruit, but in any situation no one is perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting hearing the comments.</p>
<p>Im actually on the ministry team in Dudley. Just to clarify a couple of things, when checking people to see if they&#8217;ve been healed I do try my best to ask people to be HONEST with me, and not what they think I want to hear. As a result people do say they felt nothing sometimes, but many people do also get touched.</p>
<p>More important than any of the miracles is that love is at the centre of everything, and that&#8217;s my heart and I know the hearts of many people I know in Dudley.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve personally witnessed some real verifiable, outstanding healings &amp; miracles that have had lasting effects in peoples lives, many in the Dudley church itself. </p>
<p>Peoples comments about the worship are understandable, as people connect with God in different ways, quiet and comtemplative is one of my favourite ways, but I do also enjoy the praise and worship as done in dudley. </p>
<p>The best way to judge if somethings a move of God, is the effects and fruits of the Holy Spirit it has on peoples lives. I can honestly say, from what Ive seen its good fruit, but in any situation no one is perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-107959</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revd. Owen, I have edited &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=519#comment-14281&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the previous comment in your name&lt;/a&gt; (the only such comment on this blog) to make it very clear that it was not in fact written by you. I should point out that I fully agree with the content of that comment, while not endorsing commenting under an assumed name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revd. Owen, I have edited <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=519#comment-14281" rel="nofollow">the previous comment in your name</a> (the only such comment on this blog) to make it very clear that it was not in fact written by you. I should point out that I fully agree with the content of that comment, while not endorsing commenting under an assumed name.</p>
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		<title>By: Revd. David M Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-107953</link>
		<dc:creator>Revd. David M Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Peter
I was horiffied to read your site and discover that my name and ministry has been used as a supporter of Dudly outpouring.  I can assure you that this is not the case, and could you please remove the comments from your web-page, that have been put there by somone posing to be myself.
Thank You For Your Cooperation 
Revd. David M Owen 
Shekinah Tabernacle UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Peter<br />
I was horiffied to read your site and discover that my name and ministry has been used as a supporter of Dudly outpouring.  I can assure you that this is not the case, and could you please remove the comments from your web-page, that have been put there by somone posing to be myself.<br />
Thank You For Your Cooperation<br />
Revd. David M Owen<br />
Shekinah Tabernacle UK</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-107948</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, thanks for your comment. But I don&#039;t like people providing deliberately and obviously false e-mail addresses. I reserve the right to delete any more comments with false information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thanks for your comment. But I don&#8217;t like people providing deliberately and obviously false e-mail addresses. I reserve the right to delete any more comments with false information.</p>
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		<title>By: JOHN</title>
		<link>http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=519#comment-107946</link>
		<dc:creator>JOHN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God the official creator has diverse but wonderful ways of doing things.However we must not overlook the fact that we have been put on earth here to manage it which has been going on imimorial-science,technology,knowlegde,etc are examples.Both believers and unbelivers are actively managing the earth.What is more, believers have the knowledge of God by way of His Word(written &amp; spoken)to do this management well. God bless all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God the official creator has diverse but wonderful ways of doing things.However we must not overlook the fact that we have been put on earth here to manage it which has been going on imimorial-science,technology,knowlegde,etc are examples.Both believers and unbelivers are actively managing the earth.What is more, believers have the knowledge of God by way of His Word(written &amp; spoken)to do this management well. God bless all</p>
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