Comments on: Violence and the Kingdom – and Todd Bentley again http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536 from Peter Kirk Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:02:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Peter Kirk http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-316174 Peter Kirk Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:51:23 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-316174 Christian, that verse has many possible interpretations. But who are you to judge what God did or did not tell anyone else to do? Would you agree that he told Joshua to kill all the Canaanites? If he can do that, is it really that impossible that he could ask someone today to punch a person for their own good? Christian, that verse has many possible interpretations. But who are you to judge what God did or did not tell anyone else to do? Would you agree that he told Joshua to kill all the Canaanites? If he can do that, is it really that impossible that he could ask someone today to punch a person for their own good?

]]> By: Christian http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-316171 Christian Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:56:44 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-316171 Why would anyone justify violence? God did not tell Bentley to punch anyone. this is what "the violent take it by force really means" http://hermansmith.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/what-the-violent-take-it-by-force-actually-means/ Why would anyone justify violence? God did not tell Bentley to punch anyone.

this is what “the violent take it by force really means”

http://hermansmith.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/what-the-violent-take-it-by-force-actually-means/

]]> By: Renton http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-112667 Renton Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:12:53 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-112667 [...] But signs keep emerging that all is still not well within the ranks of the self-appointed Elder’s of the Charismatic Movement. Robert Ricciardelli (Charsima Magazine Author and card carrying member of the Wagner International Constipation….errr…I mean Coalition of Apostles) recently made an appearance on Jason Clark’s Blog where he left the following comment (Thanks to Dan-O for sleuthing this out): Truth is there are very few people being healed in Lakeland. I have worked with Charisma Magazine editor Lee Grady in discovering how many false reports have been released as facts. These are our brothers and sister involved in this, but this move of God has been a move of men with God still touching some who come to seek Him… Robert Ricciardelli (Jason Clark Blog) “… The reporting of claims are being reported as fact and I am not talking about claims from Lakeland, these are claims from emails and phone calls. None of these claims happened from Lakeland, but there was an ownership of them, because someone sent them in. In some cases the person never even mentioned Lakeland, but wanted to just share what God has done. Charisma reporters and a few others like myself have tried to get these verified and cannot. At one point, I was told that is God’s job and not the ones reporting these invalidated and now some have been found out to be fraudulent claims. We actually had offered to help, because any news of a resurrection in my opinion is world news if it can be validated. But then when the totals continued to mount which led to hype and embellishment, they began to ask us to stop asking questions. Hmmmm? Friday night, Todd said that God said there were 1000 people that were to give $1000, and they were to receive a 1000 fold blessing. The one hour drama on this giving subject was so deceptively evident that it was embarrasing to watch. On top of that, those that would give that money were able to come to the platform to be recognized….” (<b>Robert Ricciadelli</b>: Stevehickey Blog) [...] Todd Bentley is a False Prophet... [...] But signs keep emerging that all is still not well within the ranks of the self-appointed Elder’s of the Charismatic Movement. Robert Ricciardelli (Charsima Magazine Author and card carrying member of the Wagner International Constipation….errr…I mean Coalition of Apostles) recently made an appearance on Jason Clark’s Blog where he left the following comment (Thanks to Dan-O for sleuthing this out): Truth is there are very few people being healed in Lakeland. I have worked with Charisma Magazine editor Lee Grady in discovering how many false reports have been released as facts. These are our brothers and sister involved in this, but this move of God has been a move of men with God still touching some who come to seek Him… Robert Ricciardelli (Jason Clark Blog) “… The reporting of claims are being reported as fact and I am not talking about claims from Lakeland, these are claims from emails and phone calls. None of these claims happened from Lakeland, but there was an ownership of them, because someone sent them in. In some cases the person never even mentioned Lakeland, but wanted to just share what God has done. Charisma reporters and a few others like myself have tried to get these verified and cannot. At one point, I was told that is God’s job and not the ones reporting these invalidated and now some have been found out to be fraudulent claims. We actually had offered to help, because any news of a resurrection in my opinion is world news if it can be validated. But then when the totals continued to mount which led to hype and embellishment, they began to ask us to stop asking questions. Hmmmm? Friday night, Todd said that God said there were 1000 people that were to give $1000, and they were to receive a 1000 fold blessing. The one hour drama on this giving subject was so deceptively evident that it was embarrasing to watch. On top of that, those that would give that money were able to come to the platform to be recognized….” (Robert Ricciadelli: Stevehickey Blog) [...]

Todd Bentley is a False Prophet…

]]> By: The Boar’s Head Tavern http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-65104 The Boar’s Head Tavern Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:21:38 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-65104 [...] out it’s OK for Todd Bentley to kick cancer patients in the stomach. Jesus endorsed the use of violence to advance the kingdom. It’s all in Matthew 11:12. Posted by: John H @ 5:21 am | Trackback | [...] [...] out it’s OK for Todd Bentley to kick cancer patients in the stomach. Jesus endorsed the use of violence to advance the kingdom. It’s all in Matthew 11:12. Posted by: John H @ 5:21 am | Trackback | [...]

]]> By: Peter Kirk http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-62317 Peter Kirk Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:23:06 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-62317 Jane, what exactly is it that Jesus is condemning? I suppose use of the sword and other analogous offensive weapons. What Todd does is not real violence but play-acting which doesn't actually hurt anyone. Where does Jesus condemn that? Jane, what exactly is it that Jesus is condemning? I suppose use of the sword and other analogous offensive weapons. What Todd does is not real violence but play-acting which doesn’t actually hurt anyone. Where does Jesus condemn that?

]]> By: Jane http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-62289 Jane Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:46:22 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-62289 With all this discussion about violence, who was it who said 'those who live by the sword will die by the sword'? Isn't that condemning violence? With all this discussion about violence, who was it who said ‘those who live by the sword will die by the sword’? Isn’t that condemning violence?

]]> By: Jerry Sorrow http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-61217 Jerry Sorrow Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:20:57 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-61217 Read Matt. 11:12; as many times as you desire but it in no way tells New Covenant believers to take anything the Father has chosen to give us by force. Jesus spoke to them of the Old Covenant Prophetic age which ended with the death of John. A time when almost all the true prophetic men performed what to us whould be strange, many times quite violent acts. John himself was an example from another light, John with his camel’s hair garment some scholars say turned bristle side in toward the skin could have been one who by violence against his own flesh tried to obtain the Kingdom, just a thought. But that all changed for those in Christ. Graciously, the Father has chosen to give us not only the Holy Spirit but in doing so He gives us the Kingdom of God. Plain and simple God is a Giver, He gives us the Spirit and the Kingdom. We can’t earn them and we definitely can’t take by force what the Father so freely gives those who receive His Son. Lk. 12: 31-32 Amplified Text 31. Only aim at and strive for and seek His kingdom, and all these things shall be supplied to you also. 32. Do not be seized with alarm and struck with fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom! NOTE: We are told here and in Matthew’s Gospel to seek the Kingdom and that the Father’s good pleasure is to give us the Kingdom but where as many teach does Jesus or any other New Testament writer tell us we must take the Kingdom by force? It just ain’t there! Paul the great apostolic writer said something in Rom. 14:17 that many of us have not caught. He tells us where the Kingdom is to be found and what is the evidence of the Kingdom in the lives of those who believe. If we grasp what Paul is saying then we’ll not get caught up in so much Kingdom speculation as to the timing or the place of the Kingdom, and we’ll gain a greater understanding of the evidence of Life of the Spirit in the lives of those who believe. Quite simply Life IN the Kingdom is Living Life in the Spirit. Rom.14:17 Amplified Text 17. [After all] the kingdom of God is not a matter of [getting the] food and drink [one likes], but instead it is righteousness (that state which makes a person acceptable to God) and [heart] peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Rom. 14:17 NKJ 17. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Read Matt. 11:12; as many times as you desire but it in no way tells New Covenant believers to take anything the Father has chosen to give us by force. Jesus spoke to them of the Old Covenant Prophetic age which ended with the death of John. A time when almost all the true prophetic men performed what to us whould be strange, many times quite violent acts. John himself was an example from another light, John with his camel’s hair garment some scholars say turned bristle side in toward the skin could have been one who by violence against his own flesh tried to obtain the Kingdom, just a thought. But that all changed for those in Christ.

Graciously, the Father has chosen to give us not only the Holy Spirit but in doing so He gives us the Kingdom of God. Plain and simple God is a Giver, He gives us the Spirit and the Kingdom. We can’t earn them and we definitely can’t take by force what the Father so freely gives those who receive His Son.

Lk. 12: 31-32 Amplified Text
31. Only aim at and strive for and seek His kingdom, and all these things shall be supplied to you also.
32. Do not be seized with alarm and struck with fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom!

NOTE: We are told here and in Matthew’s Gospel to seek the Kingdom and that the Father’s good pleasure is to give us the Kingdom but where as many teach does Jesus or any other New Testament writer tell us we must take the Kingdom by force? It just ain’t there!

Paul the great apostolic writer said something in Rom. 14:17 that many of us have not caught. He tells us where the Kingdom is to be found and what is the evidence of the Kingdom in the lives of those who believe. If we grasp what Paul is saying then we’ll not get caught up in so much Kingdom speculation as to the timing or the place of the Kingdom, and we’ll gain a greater understanding of the evidence of Life of the Spirit in the lives of those who believe. Quite simply Life IN the Kingdom is Living Life in the Spirit.

Rom.14:17 Amplified Text
17. [After all] the kingdom of God is not a matter of [getting the] food and drink [one likes], but instead it is righteousness (that state which makes a person acceptable to God) and [heart] peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Rom. 14:17 NKJ

17. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

]]> By: Jerry Sorrow http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-61215 Jerry Sorrow Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:20:02 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-61215 Read Matt. 11:12; as many times as you desire but it in no way tells New Covenant believers to take anything the Father has chosen to give us by force. Jesus spoke to them of the Old Covenant Prophetic age which ended with the death of John. A time when almost all the true prophetic men performed what to us whould be strange, many times quite violent acts. John himself was an example from another light, John with his camel’s hair garment some scholars say turned bristle side in toward the skin could have been one who by violence against his own flesh tried to obtain the Kingdom, just a thought. But that all changed for those in Christ. Graciously, the Father has chosen to give us not only the Holy Spirit but in doing so He gives us the Kingdom of God. Plain and simple God is a Giver, He gives us the Spirit and the Kingdom. We can’t earn them and we definitely can’t take by force what the Father so freely gives those who receive His Son. Lk. 12: 31-32 Amplified Text 31. Only aim at and strive for and seek His kingdom, and all these things shall be supplied to you also. 32. Do not be seized with alarm and struck with fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom! NOTE: We are told here and in Matthew’s Gospel to seek the Kingdom and that the Father’s good pleasure is to give us the Kingdom but where as many teach does Jesus or any other New Testament writer tell us we must take the Kingdom by force? It just ain’t there! Paul the great apostolic writer said something in Rom. 14:17 that many of us have not caught. He tells us where the Kingdom is to be found and what is the evidence of the Kingdom in the lives of those who believe. If we grasp what Paul is saying then we’ll not get caught up in so much Kingdom speculation as to the timing or the place of the Kingdom, and we’ll gain a greater understanding of the evidence of Life of the Spirit in the lives of those who believe. Quite simply Life IN the Kingdom is Living Life in the Spirit. Rom.14:17 Amplified Text 17. [After all] the kingdom of God is not a matter of [getting the] food and drink [one likes], but instead it is righteousness (that state which makes a person acceptable to God) and [heart] peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Rom. 14:17 NKJ 17. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Read Matt. 11:12; as many times as you desire but it in no way tells New Covenant believers to take anything the Father has chosen to give us by force. Jesus spoke to them of the Old Covenant Prophetic age which ended with the death of John. A time when almost all the true prophetic men performed what to us whould be strange, many times quite violent acts. John himself was an example from another light, John with his camel’s hair garment some scholars say turned bristle side in toward the skin could have been one who by violence against his own flesh tried to obtain the Kingdom, just a thought. But that all changed for those in Christ.

Graciously, the Father has chosen to give us not only the Holy Spirit but in doing so He gives us the Kingdom of God. Plain and simple God is a Giver, He gives us the Spirit and the Kingdom. We can’t earn them and we definitely can’t take by force what the Father so freely gives those who receive His Son.

Lk. 12: 31-32 Amplified Text
31. Only aim at and strive for and seek His kingdom, and all these things shall be supplied to you also.
32. Do not be seized with alarm and struck with fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom!

NOTE: We are told here and in Matthew’s Gospel to seek the Kingdom and that the Father’s good pleasure is to give us the Kingdom but where as many teach does Jesus or any other New Testament writer tell us we must take the Kingdom by force? It just ain’t there!

Paul the great apostolic writer said something in Rom. 14:17 that many of us have not caught. He tells us where the Kingdom is to be found and what is the evidence of the Kingdom in the lives of those who believe. If we grasp what Paul is saying then we’ll not get caught up in so much Kingdom speculation as to the timing or the place of the Kingdom, and we’ll gain a greater understanding of the evidence of Life of the Spirit in the lives of those who believe. Quite simply Life IN the Kingdom is Living Life in the Spirit.

Rom.14:17 Amplified Text
17. [After all] the kingdom of God is not a matter of [getting the] food and drink [one likes], but instead it is righteousness (that state which makes a person acceptable to God) and [heart] peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Rom. 14:17 NKJ
17. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

]]> By: Jamie http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-28703 Jamie Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:33:28 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-28703 Job 38-41, briefly summarised by myself (if I dare...) "Ahem, hello? Hello? HELLO!!!!! Who d'ya think you are, MORTAL HUMAN?! Take a good look around. Now you try it." When we start second-guessing God watch out! How do we know - the Spirit helps us with that, too. It's almost too easy. Job 38-41, briefly summarised by myself (if I dare…)

“Ahem, hello?

Hello?

HELLO!!!!!

Who d’ya think you are, MORTAL HUMAN?! Take a good look around. Now you try it.”

When we start second-guessing God watch out! How do we know – the Spirit helps us with that, too. It’s almost too easy.

]]> By: Peter Kirk http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=536#comment-28246 Peter Kirk Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:44:06 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=536#comment-28246 Thanks, Roger. That is just the point I have been trying to make. Some people need to read Job 38-41. Thanks, Roger. That is just the point I have been trying to make. Some people need to read Job 38-41.

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