Comments on: Let’s support Todd and Shonnah Bentley at this difficult time http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623 from Peter Kirk Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:18:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Peter Kirk http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-101743 Peter Kirk Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:06:14 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-101743 Jamie, thanks for this. You make an important point that discerning sin and judging sinners is a task for those with the right to do so as the alleged sinner's pastors etc, not for every armchair believer. Jamie, thanks for this. You make an important point that discerning sin and judging sinners is a task for those with the right to do so as the alleged sinner’s pastors etc, not for every armchair believer.

]]> By: Jamie http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-101629 Jamie Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:54:51 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-101629 Wow. Plenty to comment on, from all sides. Firstly, I am deeply saddened by what has happened with Todd and co, and it shows just how careful each of us need to be in our own walk with God. Let the perfect one cast the first stone and those with the RIGHT to carry out the likes of James 5 etc. do so, not the 'armchair' Christians unwittingly aiding the devil in his work. I was reading Leonard Ravenhill the other day when he said something that we already know in the Bible, but it hit home again. The Holy Spirit brings liberty (real, not liberalism which is something else), while Jesus brings DIVISION. Yes, division. Everywhere Jesus went, division went with him. The penetrating work of Jesus Christ cuts right to our heart dividing bone and marrow and seperating us. I've heard far too much criticism of a man (Todd), just like the rest of us, still liable to the troubles we face and such. The deepest sadness is that all this is more public. But... the Church (and many who call themselves Christian but dishonour God's name by the claimed association) has been sat around doing precious nothing for a long time. Let this be a reminder to us that without God we have no chance. Each of us MUST depend upon Him absolutely. Dare we trust in anything/anyone else? That would be madness! Lord protect us from any who would try to come against us and your work in our lives. Wow. Plenty to comment on, from all sides.

Firstly, I am deeply saddened by what has happened with Todd and co, and it shows just how careful each of us need to be in our own walk with God. Let the perfect one cast the first stone and those with the RIGHT to carry out the likes of James 5 etc. do so, not the ‘armchair’ Christians unwittingly aiding the devil in his work.

I was reading Leonard Ravenhill the other day when he said something that we already know in the Bible, but it hit home again. The Holy Spirit brings liberty (real, not liberalism which is something else), while Jesus brings DIVISION. Yes, division. Everywhere Jesus went, division went with him. The penetrating work of Jesus Christ cuts right to our heart dividing bone and marrow and seperating us. I’ve heard far too much criticism of a man (Todd), just like the rest of us, still liable to the troubles we face and such. The deepest sadness is that all this is more public. But… the Church (and many who call themselves Christian but dishonour God’s name by the claimed association) has been sat around doing precious nothing for a long time.

Let this be a reminder to us that without God we have no chance. Each of us MUST depend upon Him absolutely. Dare we trust in anything/anyone else? That would be madness! Lord protect us from any who would try to come against us and your work in our lives.

]]> By: Peter Kirk http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-101581 Peter Kirk Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:29:38 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-101581 Thank you, Baba. Thank you, Baba.

]]> By: Baba http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-101580 Baba Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:48:39 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-101580 Peter, may you be so blessed by the Lord because of your integrity in the stand that you take and the compassion you show for Todd and all who have supported his ministry. I have been so saddened by the dreadful judgements that the so called 'Church' has made upon this man. Why is it that those who appear to be so knowledgeable and discerning lack what is the most important quality of a believer, and that is 'Love' I believe that these costly developments affecting Todd's family are because Hell has had quite a shaking from the revival. I also believe that there is a spiritual sifting where the wheat is being sorted from the chaff, the lambs from the goats in terms of exposing the true nature of peoples hearts. Todd is my brother in Jesus, Shonnah, my sister. How can I not pray for them.How can the church not pray for them. We will all be accountable before God, for our words, attitudes, acts of ommission as well as acts of commission. Baba Peter, may you be so blessed by the Lord because of your integrity in the stand that you take and the compassion you show for Todd and all who have supported his ministry. I have been so saddened by the dreadful judgements that the so called ‘Church’ has made upon this man. Why is it that those who appear to be so knowledgeable and discerning lack what is the most important quality of a believer, and that is ‘Love’ I believe that these costly developments affecting Todd’s family are because Hell has had quite a shaking from the revival. I also believe that there is a spiritual sifting where the wheat is being sorted from the chaff, the lambs from the goats in terms of exposing the true nature of peoples hearts. Todd is my brother in Jesus, Shonnah, my sister. How can I not pray for them.How can the church not pray for them. We will all be accountable before God, for our words, attitudes, acts of ommission as well as acts of commission. Baba

]]> By: Peter Kirk http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-97776 Peter Kirk Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:58:44 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-97776 Ralph, thank you. Ralph, thank you.

]]> By: Ralph Dean - Australia http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-97704 Ralph Dean - Australia Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:15:03 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-97704 I think it was Bill Johnson who said that if we took the typical attitude of divorcing ourselves from any who sin, and hanging them out to dry to prove our "spirituality", then we would have to get rid of "Song of Solomon" from the Bible. Solomon began his life as king seeking after God, yet lost it during his reign. We could probably add to the "divorce" list, anything written by king David also, for even though he repented, his sin was rather significant. If the same happened today, I have no doubt that David would be crucified by the church. The razor would then have to be taken to many other smaller passages, like Sampson, Noah (he got drunk), lot (where do you begin?), probably any references to Peter (he denied Christ). I wonder what we would have left? I believe the Church at large needs to rethink its attitude to those who sin. The historical attitude of Christians scrambling over each other to be the most obvious to the world in denunciation of the person has to stop. I dont believe any credibility is gained through this. Quite the opposite, in fact. All we do is fuel the world's criticism of the church. I, clealry, agree with you. Support Todd and his family. Disagree with the sin, but support the man. Keep up the positives. They are good. I think it was Bill Johnson who said that if we took the typical attitude of divorcing ourselves from any who sin, and hanging them out to dry to prove our “spirituality”, then we would have to get rid of “Song of Solomon” from the Bible. Solomon began his life as king seeking after God, yet lost it during his reign. We could probably add to the “divorce” list, anything written by king David also, for even though he repented, his sin was rather significant. If the same happened today, I have no doubt that David would be crucified by the church. The razor would then have to be taken to many other smaller passages, like Sampson, Noah (he got drunk), lot (where do you begin?), probably any references to Peter (he denied Christ). I wonder what we would have left?

I believe the Church at large needs to rethink its attitude to those who sin. The historical attitude of Christians scrambling over each other to be the most obvious to the world in denunciation of the person has to stop. I dont believe any credibility is gained through this. Quite the opposite, in fact. All we do is fuel the world’s criticism of the church.

I, clealry, agree with you. Support Todd and his family. Disagree with the sin, but support the man. Keep up the positives. They are good.

]]> By: Rupert’s Blog » Todd Bentley, Lakeland, meetings and marriage http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-90424 Rupert’s Blog » Todd Bentley, Lakeland, meetings and marriage Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:34:28 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-90424 [...] for a UK perspective, from someone who has been very positive about the outpouring, see here and here. Click on "more" for the full statement by Fresh Fire Ministries on the current [...] [...] for a UK perspective, from someone who has been very positive about the outpouring, see here and here. Click on "more" for the full statement by Fresh Fire Ministries on the current [...]

]]> By: Peter Kirk http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-88928 Peter Kirk Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:37:11 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-88928 Mike and Jill, thanks for your comments. I really appreciate the position Bill and Patricia are taking, as you have summarised them. I wish I had time to follow up all the leads on this. Mike and Jill, thanks for your comments. I really appreciate the position Bill and Patricia are taking, as you have summarised them. I wish I had time to follow up all the leads on this.

]]> By: Jill http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-88633 Jill Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:17:26 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-88633 Just for your information, Patricia King is another person who has released a statement regarding Todd. You can find it at extremeprophetic.com. For those who don't know her, of course, she has a prophetic ministry and has been connected with all these other ministries, including Bill's. Patricia King has had the unique position of being a "spiritual mother" to Todd. She also has roots in Abbotsford, where Todd is from. Patricia acknowledges Todd's sin, as much as she was able (it's pre-the 2nd statement from Freshfire), takes a strong stand for holiness, and yet also states her intention to continue standing with him and Shonnah. She also discusses the revival and the genuineness of it, as well as the attacks that came against Todd and the revival. She, herself, has experienced many such attacks and many people have judged her ministry. Regardless of whatever you may think of her, you will see a clear view of her heart for God and for holiness, as well as for Todd and his restoration. I am not sure how involved she is, currently, in his restoration process, as I know that Bill, Che and John are the 3 main people working with him. However, I do know that she remains committed to him and to seeing that God is honored in all this. Just for your information, Patricia King is another person who has released a statement regarding Todd. You can find it at extremeprophetic.com. For those who don’t know her, of course, she has a prophetic ministry and has been connected with all these other ministries, including Bill’s. Patricia King has had the unique position of being a “spiritual mother” to Todd. She also has roots in Abbotsford, where Todd is from.

Patricia acknowledges Todd’s sin, as much as she was able (it’s pre-the 2nd statement from Freshfire), takes a strong stand for holiness, and yet also states her intention to continue standing with him and Shonnah. She also discusses the revival and the genuineness of it, as well as the attacks that came against Todd and the revival.

She, herself, has experienced many such attacks and many people have judged her ministry. Regardless of whatever you may think of her, you will see a clear view of her heart for God and for holiness, as well as for Todd and his restoration. I am not sure how involved she is, currently, in his restoration process, as I know that Bill, Che and John are the 3 main people working with him. However, I do know that she remains committed to him and to seeing that God is honored in all this.

]]> By: Jill Davidson http://www.gentlewisdom.org.uk/?p=623#comment-88621 Jill Davidson Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:36:33 +0000 http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=623#comment-88621 Hi Mike, You're welcome. Actually, there are two messages - the 8/10 one you referred to and then 8/17 is more directly and entirely devoted to the situation with Todd. From what you said, it sounds like that is actually the one you were referring to. Peter, I considered writing a summary here of what Bill said for others to see, but I'm not very good about keeping things short. However, if you think it would be helpful, I'd be glad to do that. Otherwise, as I said before, everyone can just access it for themselves at www.ibethel.org. Hi Mike,

You’re welcome. Actually, there are two messages – the 8/10 one you referred to and then 8/17 is more directly and entirely devoted to the situation with Todd. From what you said, it sounds like that is actually the one you were referring to.

Peter, I considered writing a summary here of what Bill said for others to see, but I’m not very good about keeping things short. However, if you think it would be helpful, I’d be glad to do that. Otherwise, as I said before, everyone can just access it for themselves at http://www.ibethel.org.

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